Pedal board setup: Guitar Effects Basics 101

Hey guys, welcome! I’ve noticed A LOT of hits on my blog searching for pedal board setups and for effect chains. The probability you hit this page based on google is highly likely. So welcome, and lets see if we can answer your qs.

As most guitarists do, I change my board about every 4 months. I get tired of the same sounds, same pedals and spice it up every now and then. But I always, always have my basics. I mainly play for worship bands for churches. So if I were to receive a call right now to play this weekend, I would set up my basics- my options that give me the most versatile sound. This the same topic as my first post, but I’ve changed a few things to flush out the topic more.

Follow the full article to view my “ever changing board”. Furthest down is my current board, while these first few pics are what my board was in previous years. You can see my change in thoughts, the “tone” fads, and what i kept on the board or what I always went back to.
Example: for better or worse, there is always a Tubescreamer or TS type pedal on my board. Either the TS, the Zendrive, or a Barber Electronics pedal.

I will discuss: 1) Basic Ideas on Effects Chain order and 2) My order and why I prefer this, and any other theoretical orderings that may be different. You will also see a short discussion of my acoustic board.

#1) Wah: this generally goes first due to the wah it affects the main overdrive unit and the next effects. Modern music definitely puts this first. You can also use a PHASER in this position if it is a deep effect. Envelope filters are perfect.

#2) Compressor: as you want to level off your signal BEFORE it gets to the overdrive for equal toning and for a consistent volume. After the wah, it will calm any volume spikes your wah gives you.

#3) Your overdrive: This is your main crunch! You can also place a dual overdrive around here as well.

#4) Equalizer: If you want, you can shape your tone here for the perfect pitch you are looking for.

#5) Pitch Effects: Like vibrato, this is where your main sound created in the previous stages has the “effects” added to it. If you don’t like your tone here, the change one of the first 3 options.

#6) Modulation effects: chorus, flange, phaser, tremolo, octave. Again, these affect the main sound you already have.

#7) Echo effects: Delay and reverb. The ending point.

My pedalboard

My pedalboard

I generally use these rules. My current chain (April ‘08) is: 1) Crybaby wah to 2) CMATMODS Ross Compressor Clone, 3) Analogman Modded TS9 Overdrive, 4) Analogman DS1 modded distortion, 5) Dan Electro Tremolo, 6) Boss DD3 delay, 7) Line 6 Verbzilla, 8-> volume pedal with bypassed tuner. Between my overdrive and distortion sometimes I have a Line boost which just boosts my sound. That way If i don’t want a crazy distorted lead, I just click and boost my clean sound or lightly overdriven sound. See my post (coming soon) on dual overdrive for a better explanation.

The main differences you will see are:

The wah AFTER the overdrive: this is the more classic “Hendrix” wah of playing. Gives a great sound. Check it out to see if it works better for you.
The overdrive BEFORE the compressor: this keeps your sound even. You will be mostly at the same volume level when you kick on the the OD. This smooth transition gives a true studio-sounding professional sound. I used to play this way until I got a new drummer. Now I placed my OD after the compressor (classic setting) so the volume boost is heard so I can be heard when the drummer kicks it up a bit on the choruses of our songs.

Basically there are no RULES, just a preference for settings. Think simply about WHAT you want your sound to do. If you want a nice overdrive that you can click on and make louder- dual drives or an OD pedal in front of your overdriven amp is the way to go. But you want delay- you want it at the end so your total notes are echoed on. Delay into reverb so it sounds like your echos are going down halls. But don’t let me convince you. I change mine every 4 months or so to experiment.

I also change my effects regularly. That is, I use the same TYPE of effect in that setting, but a different one. Like I change my TS9 with a modded Boss SD1. Same type OD pedal, just the Boss has less midrange than the TS9 and has a different clipping distortion (more harmonics, less cream), or I use a modded Blues Driver here- tighter, cripser, lots of harmonics, but no cream at all. I switch my DS1 for a Big Muff Pi for a lead boost. I want to take out my Tremolo and replace it with a Line 6 ML 4. But again, not changing my order.
The only thing I change is my compressor type and placing of it, depending on my roll as a player. For leads, I use a Ross type compressor into my ODs for some beautiful sustain, very forgiving compression. For rhythm I use my Boss CS3 mod with the overdrive running into it for a smooth transition. The compression here is a little tighter and makes strumming great, with a hint of growl in certain settings. Its a very static, sterile sound which does not compliment my leads as much, but gives nice definition on all my rhythms.
The main point I want to make about my boards is the VERSATILITY, which one in a church setting with differing songs needs to have. This setup is not MY setup if I were to perform, its what fits best with WHO I am performing with and for. Most of our questions are self-answered by the simple “Who is my audience?” and then figure what they want.

Again, experimentation:

My acoustic pedalboard:

For Acoustic work, I use my Tuner (anywhere in the chain) to tune and for a Mute button, 1) BOTH compressors, the Boss for rhythm followed by the Ross set with a higher volume for leads/boost, 2) chorus pedal (optional, not a big fan of chorus) and 3) delay. This is the “classic” acoustic type setup, unless you need an EQ or want to follow with a bit of reverb. I found my acoustic in the church hall doesn’t need more reverb, but delay gives a nice effect. edit 9-14-08: I have decided that my Verbzilla really flushes out my acoustic sound with a hint of reverb. This really adds depth to my sound/tone. It is now one of my “essentials” for my acoustic board.

I want to get an Analogman Bicomp to take care of the 2 compressors, but am cool waiting for now (about a year wait list I think!). I’m amazed at how much more fleshed out my tone is on the acoustic with the compressor. Really, a professional sound.

EDIT 10-26-08

THE BIG RIG

THE BIG RIG

So my new chain (Oct 08):

1) modified Jim Dunlap Crybaby with True Bypass Mod (By CMATMODS)
2) Boss TU2 Tuner
3) Barber Tone Press Compressor
4) Ibanez TS9- 808 brown mod by Analogman
5) Hermida Audio Zendrive
6) Boss DS1 Analogman mod
7) Electro Harmonix Lil’ Big Muff
8 ) Boss DD20 Giga Delay
9) Boss RT20 Rotary Sound Processor (wannabe Leslie effect)
All wired with Visual Sound One Spot, but strategically so no buzz happens. The reason some people get buzz is they put too much demand on these things. I have never had a problem, even with “problem makers” such as Line 6 stuff etc… ) Be smart people!

Reasoning: I decided I need a couple of ODs, a low, low gain for a hint of sparkle. I also need a slightly heavier drive for riffing and such and then a drive with compression and smooth distortion for a lead boost. Then the Muff for crazy stuff that springs itself at random- usually in the Spanish service. It and the wah mix great. I use the RT20 for various things, the Leslie simulation, a tremolo sound, and an interesting chorus-type sparkle.

I removed my volume pedal because I rarely do volume swells with the style of music we are doing. The Verbzilla is an excellent pedal, but I discovered my amp has a pretty decent reverb (Verbzilla’s is better though) and again, at this moment, I do not have a need for crazy reverbs. Maybe again later, but the DD20 into the RT20 give me enough ambient-type effects that I should be good for awhile!

Update 3-24-09

Here is my  current rig:

Cuz we have to turn off the lights and get a shoe as cool as a Converse in the pic...

Cuz we have to turn off the lights and get a shoe as cool as a Converse in the pic...

First I set my basic tones– guitar to amp, then guitar and overdrives to amp. I set my guitar’s volume pot to about 5-6 and then my amp for the loudness/breakup I want. Then I set my overdrives just a tad louder than that base amp sound, and turn the gain to where I want it. From there, I can just tweak my volume up to 10 on the guitar for my lead/solo boosts.

So here we have my chain:

1) Crybaby wah (true bypass mod)– first in my chain because it affects ALL the components after it. If I find I am not using wah, I replace this with my compressor (Barber Tone Press).

2) Ernie Ball Volume Pedal with Boss TU2 on tuner out.

3) Zendrive for low gain sounds. Its just a hint of drive to stand out and “sparkle” at normal guitar volume. When I crank the volume, it offers a little crunch for power chord work, or light leads.

4) Fulltone OCD: for more distortion, and gainy, sustainy type leads.

5) Lil’ Big Muff- for volume swells. I’m thinking of replacing it with the Hartman Ge Fuzz, but Fuzz is temperamental and doesn’t like the humidity here. So what works in my room does not work on stage.

6) Boss DD20, my staple delay pedal. Set for 1- delay with modulation, 2- tape echo w/ 2 tape heads (for dual delay type needs), 3- Analog delay dotted 8th, 4- Analog delay quarters, 5- Long delay quarters with modulation for swells.
I have found that the “dual delay” setting in this thing just doesn’t cut it… but for some reason the tape delay 2 heads gives 2 distinct echos at different times that fits perfectly. I cut back on the “tape warble” settings to make it more clean. Works great.

7) Line 6 Verbzilla: puts the finishing touches on the overall sound. I tend to keep it on “hall” which is a longer decaying, thick reverb. Sounds great in leads and also is nice to “finish” swells.

Notice– most are True Bypass, there are no loopers, and I run straight into my volume pedal (which does suck some high end). I’m not too worried about the dreaded “tone suck” as compared to rig-amp vs guitar- amp.
See, I’m from Nashville where our heroes rode in on a horse that had been drinking beer (men get whisky mind you) and latched together rubber bands on brooms and blew in jugs to create music. Some of the best songwriters and players I know do not have loopers and do not care about “tone suck” as much as some of us less than pro players do. (I’m speaking of Willie Nelson and all the other local heroes.)

I took these lessons to heart– if the tone coming out of your amp is what you want, then don’t change. As in, I know I loose some high end on the volume pedal, so I dial more in on the guitar and more in on the amp. Sure, it still sounds different from the rig versus if I went straight to amp from guitar, but the tone out of the amp is still sweet, beautiful clean. That’s all that matters.

Your end product sound is more important that quality/purity of signal, true bypass, or George L cables throughout. If you close your eyes, is the tone you hear clean, pure and natural?

Here is my walk through: (better audio this time, video quality a little off… still trying! I think my third will be best! :) )


And on top of all I discussed in the vid- i love a light tremolo in sine wave form (soft wave). A small soft wave gives a nice shimmer that sounds like chorus. Except I don’t like chorus– but this is nice for slow picking.
Also, slow tremolo into quarter delay is marvelous. Mmmmm

Another change as of: June 19, 2009:

Like many other gear-heads, I change my pedalboard about every 3 months. I never know why, it just happens.

For those following the blog, I really didn’t change any of the effects, or even the chain- I just made the whole thing simpler. This allowed me to fit effects that normal I just “rotate out” when I don’t need them (compressor, wah).

My main motivation was putting effects that I stomp on the most to the bottom level of my board where I could get to them easily. I used to have the delay on the top level and my overdrives on the bottom level. But I realized that while I may use two overdrives for a song, I only click once to turn on/off and then click the other on. I may use 2 delays or more, throw in some tap tempo and tremolo: I’m really dancing around.

Notice I pretty much just moved my bottom row to the top, and pulled the top row to the bottom. This allows fast, easy access to the tap tempos of the DD20 and the Tremolo. Playing with it last Sunday proved it to be the right decision: so easy to use. And as I stated, I now fit my compressor and my wah on there as well. The only thing I need to play with is the placement of the tuner. When I clicked it on I completely moved 2 of the knobs on the Small Fry which gave me a very interesting lead sound I was not prepared for.

MMMmmm, gear. I never get tired of looking at it!

MMMmmm, gear. I never get tired of looking at it!

So my chain:

Crybaby with True Bypass mod (CMATMODS) >
Barber Tone Press (compressor)>
Ernie Ball Volume pedal with Boss TU2 tuner in the tuner out>
Barber Small Fry (high gain, or lead boost)>
Fulltone OCD (Mid gain rhythm, tight/sharp soft sounding leads)>
Hermida Audio Zendrive (low gain and ambient type leads)>
Electro Harmonix Lil’ Big Muff (for volume swells/violin sounds)>
Seymour Duncan Shape Shifter (tremolo)>
Boss DD20 digital delay with tap tempo on out>
Line 6 Verbzilla (reverb)>  AMP

All powered by Visual Sound 1-Spot and held together with George L cable.

I have been rotating a few pedals in and out for the dirt pedals. The Zendrive is being tested against the Hermida Audio Nu-Valve, and the Nu-Valve is showing some promise. I also have thrown a Barber LTD (mod with 2x the gain) in that sections.  The OCD is being switched with the Hermida Distortion, Mosferatu, or Analogman DS1 whilst the Small Fry…. well, for some reason I just can’t get rid of the Small Fry. I don’t exactly love this pedal, but it sounds so good in a live setting. Incredibly good. That Barber guy… wow.

The Muff gets changed for a Fuzz… but Fuzz is too temperamental here with all the humidity and rapid weather changes. Muff generally stays.

If you notice, even though I still rotate the dirt boxes, its still the same order: lead boost into a high gain, into a low gain/amp type sounding pedal. This really works for me.


This page will be “EVER-Modified” as I will edit and re-edit as I change, learn and as you ask your questions. If what you are seeking is not posted here, ask! I will answer, give advice on what I would do with your particular effects etc. This page is ever evolving and I want you to be able to use it! I hope I can provide what I wanted to see when I was a begining guitarist!

27 Responses

  1. My question is,I have an ornge sqeeze comressor on the input of my amp.How should I set up my pedals? I have a full tone wha,ts9 tube screemer, fulll tone 69 fuss pedal ,full tone full drive pedal, boss didgital delay,and mxr micrco amp peedal.boss choris pedal

  2. Hey there Chad, welcome to the site.

    First, if you have a vintage orange squeezer– wow, congrats. Thats a piece of history and can fetch a pretty penny! So do wisely with it!
    2nd, The orange squeezer vintage form has two settings, one for the amp, and the other will plug straight INTO your guitar, then you plug your cable into it as the compressor is pretty much “on board equipment.” Play with the settings- I believe if you remove the plate for the battery you switch the yellow and blue wire and it should plug straight into your guitar.
    Then I would plug the fuzz, the Wah, the TS9, the Full Drive, the chorus, and the delay. I would place the amp pedal wherever sounds good to you— probably after the overdrives.

    If you are having problems with the squeezer, but love its sound, I would check out the stompbox model:
    http://www.buyanalogman.com/Juicer_p/am-juicer.htm
    and info in general on it:
    http://www.analogman.com/os.htm

    If you are having problems switching the knob to get the OS to plug into you guitar, I would send Analogman an email and he would be proud to help you- and if you want to sell he may even buy!

    Hope that helps! If I missed something, hit me back and we’ll keep it going!

  3. I use a half-stack Marshall with a JCM-2000 head. I run pedals in front of the preamp and also use the effects loop. I’m getting tons of noise from the amp and was wondering what order I should place my pedals in…

    In front of the preamp is as follows:

    Amp – Boss SD-1 Super Overdrive – MXR Micro Amp (Mostly for a lead boost) – Boss TU-2 Cromatic Tuner – Budda Wah – Guitar.

    Effects Loop:

    Send – MXR Phase 90 – Boss CE-5 Chorus Esemble – Boss DD-20 GigaDelay – Boss DD-6 Digital Delay – Boss RV-5 Digital Reverb – Boss NS-2 Noise Suppresor – Return.

    Basically, the noise suppresor is doing nothing to gate the massive hum I’m getting from my amp. I’m wondering if there is a better way of running my effects chain to minimize the sound.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks,

    Drew

  4. Drew,
    Thanks for checking out my blog! Lets see if we can help you through this troubleshooting. I really need to know what you mean by “noise” is it noise as in guitar is plugged in, nothing on and there is a buzz? Or when you crank one overdrive on you get a buzzy-not-quite-feedback? Define noise for me and when you get it and I can hopefully narrow it down a touch more.

    Some ideas (so I don’t dodge the question completely):
    1) what power supply are you using? with that many boss pedals we may need to step up the power, or run more isolated ones.
    2) consider moving the pedals OUT of the effects loop ( i know, i know) but sometimes a pedal with a bad buffer IN the amp like that will add a ton of noise~! I would stack them as you have in the effects loop, except put the NS2 after the Overdrives, then the rest of the modulation/delays. You may find you do not need the NS2 in this format.
    3) Patch cables, patch cables, patch cables! I had this consistent fuzz that would not go away– it was do to my “8 for $10″ patch cables. With this much buffers and power supplies, you NEED good patch cables. I use George L, but you can get many others (Lava, D’margio (sp?)). They cost though- It took $110 to do my board. I did mine by layers- first the overdrives (the main noise makers) and on from there.

    well, thats a start. One last word- boss pedals (notably the SD1) are noisy when on. Each pedal has a buffer which “pushes” your signal through. After your signal has run through all your boss pedals, it has been “pushed” alot and many feedback noises come forth more. The patch cables and isolated power supply will help this A LOT, but you may still have some noise. I would consider dropping an effect or two (the NS2 may not be needed after moving out of the effects loop) and maybe replacing one with a true bypass of the same effect. The SD1 is the most notably noisy pedal (as compared to the digital delays- they are relatively noiseless and clean). I would consider a Mod on the SD1 (such as Analogman mod, or do it yourself (DIY) Monte Allums mod). But we can talk that later.

    What kind of noise do you have?

  5. I am considering chancing my pedal board set up My main issue is a worry about running a compressor (boss cs3) in my effects loop as in the past I blew a Marshall jcm 900 effects loop ic and had to take it in .I have a mesa Boogie rocket 44 at this time and am considering what to do with and the order of my effects chain.I play classic rock and have a arion tuner dano hot pastrami, boss cs3,boss metal zone mt2,an old boss analog delay and a dod chorus What do you suggest?? Sure would appreciate any and all input Thanks JIMMM

  6. James: Hmmm…. i wouldn’t put the compressor in the effects loops. The compressor and your overdrives/distortions should go out in front of the amp- so they can push it to break up and blend into your amps own overdrive if you decide to stack them.

    I would do 1 of 2 things with overdrives: your main/favorite overdrive then the CS3 then the rest, or CS3 first. I really like an overdrive before the compressor for certain sounds, so play with it.
    Traditionally I would put CS3, Dano Pastrami (nice pedal), then MT2 as a lead-type pedal last—> amp.
    The tuner can go first in that chain, or last, whichever gives less noise to your ears.
    In the loop, I would put the chorus first, then the delay for modern type sounds.
    Unless you like classic modulated delays, then you can do the delay into the chorus. Whichever sounds best to your ears.

    I’m not fond of putting dirt pedals in effects loops- they are there to DRIVE the amp and tubes, while the modulation etc.. is great because it happens after the tube circuits.

    Hope that helps!

  7. Hey Doc———
    Jeff here again; Have you tried the Voodoolab Sparkle
    Drive? I find it great for clean boost/subtle O’drive crunch.
    When using it with the Katana clean boost & a good lower
    wattage tube amp(i.e. vintage Fender Concert, Vibrolux
    Reverb amps, 20-60 watts) is ‘MAGIC’! Rock On Bro’!

    Take Care, Jeff—————

  8. Jeff— Sparkle drive is excellent! The blend control really makes it. Its basically a Tubescreamer clone, but with those ‘extras’ which really make it transparent!

    And ditto on the low watt tube amp– I LOVE my Superchamp XD at 15w and the breakup and ’sparkle’ at low gain settings. Great great sound.

    thanks Jeff!

  9. Hai there, thx for sharing this precious info, now I know more n less ’bout the chain…

    But still I have a question for you, since I read ’bout the chain, now I change my chain like this:
    1.Boss TU-2
    2.Boss Fender ‘59 Bassman
    3.EH LPB-1 Booster
    4.Boss SD-1
    5.Boss GE-7
    6.Behringer GDI-21
    7.Behringer Phaser PH-9
    8.Boss DD-6 Digital Delay

    Basicly, I get the sound that I looking for, juz wanna share with you whether I put it rite or not , what do you think? Am I put the boss fender 59 bassman and boss GE-7 or other effect correctly? I still need ur opinion though…

    By the way, I’m using american standart ‘95 fender telecaster and marshall valvestate VS65R combo amps, and I play alternative rock and blues, and I like overdrive better than distortion…

    Regards,
    Rendra Doolz

  10. Hey Rendra– welcome. Your rig sounds awesome! You have it set the way I would set it.
    If you wanted to experiment I would move the Bassman to either the last of your drives, or at the very end of the chain. You see— its suppossed to be mimicking an amp, right? So have it on and push it with the SD1 and Line Boost. I also might put the GE7 BEFORE the drives, as I think it would sound better. But thats just my preference, you can ignore that one! If you leave it after, I would use it to ‘boost’ whatever drive you are using, then you may not need the Line boost.

    But definitely try the bassman as the last overdrive, or as the last pedal in the chain. I think you’ll like those results :)
    BTW, nice song on your myspace…

    -Larry

  11. what do you think of the Marshall pedals? Regenerator RG-1, Echohead EH-1, Vibratrem VT-1, Reflector RF1, ED-1 Compressor, GV-2 Guv’nor Plus,
    Bluesbreaker II BB-2 & Jackhammer JH-1. Any thoughts?

  12. Hey DD,
    Thanks for dropping by…
    I have had limited experience with ALL the pedals you listed, but I have used the ED1 compressor as a compressor, and to boost my Zendrive overdrive during leads. The GV2 I haven’t played, but have heard many a good thing about.

    The BluesBreaker is where the story ends– suppossedly its fantastic! Rumor is that the Analogman King of Tone pedal is a BB clone with other tone shaping mods. A very nice pedal!

  13. i’ve tried the GV2 and still have it. although i only used it once on a special church anniversary concert. you can get decent sound out of it if you tweak it with your gear. although it’s not as versatile. the Blues Breaker sounds good at low gain!

  14. need advice: I’ve got peavey 6505+amp.,jackson guitar with EVH humbucker installed(bridge9 angus young humbucker (neck0 any way sounds good when i play directly into the amp,,but when I put it through the effect boxes some thing goes wrong,,first the volume gets lower,,,Iplugged guitar to MXR EQ 10 band>ibanez turbo tube screamer TS9DX>MXR90>MXR Flanger EVH>Boss chorus ensemble>boss digital delay DD7>MXR carbon copy>Boss noise suppresor NS5.>front plug of the amplifier,,is that wrong?(trying to get EVH sound)..if I plug guitar,tube screamer, to front amp…then from the back SEND phase,flanger,chorus,delay carbon copy,noise suppresor,to RETURN does’nt work,,,I need some technical advice

  15. hey! Great post… very informative, even though sadly, lots of it is over my head. I’m a worship leader at my church and I’m just slightly transitioning to my electric guitar as we’re doing more of the upbeat Lincoln Brewster type songs, and I’m using a Korg multi-effects processor pedal thing… and I just don’t see many people doing that, and am guessing I can tweak the sounds to my liking a little better using a train of pedals? Honestly I’m just trying to find that ‘appropriate’ church distortion/groove sound that is still hard core and sounds good, but isn’t the metal blasting away everyone kind of sound.

    I guess I’m asking what you think a good set of pedals (from scratch, including tuners/volume, etc.) would be to get crackin’ at finding a good mix of acousticy/strum sounds, with some good distortions and choruses as well?

    Also, I know this sounds silly… but I don’t see how people transition so well between one song and the next, say you need to adjust your distortion… if you’re using say, the SD-1, then you’d have to bend down, turn the dial to crank down the distortion, and hope it’s right… that just doesn’t seem to be what people do, what is normal practice for getting different sounds throughout a set w/out literally tweaking the pedals between songs? Or do you just find a distortion that seems to fit them all?? Thanks in advance!

    Nick

  16. walter:
    First, if its not working in the loop of your amp, you might need an amp tech to check that out. Personally, I don’t dig amp loops, but thats just my biased opinion- alot of guys get great things out of them. As for the rest of your chain- you have 8 pedals in a row, and not all are true bypass, so you have some buffers affecting you sound. I also want to know what cables you have and power source you are using? The cables are generally responsible for most of the problems you listed: lower volume. I would check first with getting some great cables. You don’t have to spend alot, just don’t be like me and get those 10 for $4 colored cables. You can get decent cables about $6 from main retailers. I use George Ls (which you put together yourself in a kit- super easy, and can mod them to the lengths you need!) which ran about $8 a cable. After that, I would use a reputable power supply. I currently use the realitively inexpensive “1Spot” power, which in a kit is about $35 bucks and will run 8 pedals. The better alternative is Voodoo Labs’ “Pedal Power 2″ which is much better, but also cost more.
    On a side note: regardless of what you do, that many pedals will have some sort of volume drop etc… when compared to a straight-to-amp sound. I would use the TS9 to gain the sound you want, and then roll back the volume on the guitar for more “clean” sounds. With an overdrive on it should be enough to PUSH that signal to the amp so its not sounding lifeless.

    Hope that helps! Feel free to hit me back with any questions.

  17. @Nick:
    On the multiunits: yeah, I don’t like them. Did once, but they just don’t respond/breathe as well as actual analog effects do! The difference is astounding if you were to A/B them. That said, the newer “multi’s” that I would recommend is the Line 6 M13. This little guy can be tweaked quite well, and responds mostly the way an amp/analog effects do. I have been impressed with the tones I’ve heard from this thing. That said, my ear can tell some difference between a stomp box overdrive and the M13 overdrives, but the other effects (delay, modulations) are fantastic. Of course, as soon as I said I could tell the difference, a buddy of mine tweaked his to a point that sounded great and proved me wrong. So if you are on a budget, I would recommend the M13.

    The best part of pedals is you have exactly what you want! You can add, remove etc…. and you get what you need! I’m assuming you are doing Lincoln-type music and maybe some Hillsong stuff. It helps to know your guitar, but we’ll just talk about the basics here and follow-up on the others.
    If I were leading with an electric guitar (as now I play lead and sing background) I would reduce my current board and probably use something like: compressor, 2 to 3 overdrives, tremolo, delay. Boom. That is all. Maybe a reverb. But thats pushing it– KISS method: Keep It Simple Sucka.
    If I have to sing I don’t want to have to switch out so many effects, and I won’t be performing as much as I would be concentrating on Rhythm and staying on-key vocally!

    So for me, the actually pedals I would use would be: a smooth compressor (my fav: Barber Tone Press), high gain overdrive (my favs: Barber Small Fry, Fulltone OCD, Visual Sound Hyde, Hermida Audio Mosferatu) followed by 1 or 2 low gain drives (favs: Hermida Audio Zendrive, PaulC Tim, Barber LTD, Analogman Tubescreamer mod) then a tuner of your choice that mutes when you step on it, then a tremolo (preferably with tap-tempo) and a delay(with tap tempo, my favs: Line 6 Echo Park, and Boss DD20).
    As for finding your “place” in the distortion/overdrive: Here is how I approach it.
    1) I have 3 ODs on my board. Each is a different flavor. Each handles a different amount of gain. Boom, problem solved. I use this way sometimes. I also make sure the pedals (like the Zendrive) have a lot of headroom- where they aren’t too compressed and retain dynamics of playing. As in, hit a string soft, they are soft sounding, low gain. IF you hit the strings hard, they ring back hard, medium gain. This also makes stacking drives (like my Small Fry INTO the Zen) sound incredibly good, smooth, and natural.
    2) Lately I have been using the “classic method”. (which is what I would do if I were leading). The classic method comes from a time where no one used pedals, only amps for the drives. What they would do is set up their amp’s distortion with the volume on the guitar turned about halfway. Once they found that spot, their rhythm was set. Less volume would mean less drive, and a more clean sound. If they cranked the guitar’s volume, you had more gain/volume- thus a lead sound.
    I do this with the pedals with a lot of headroom (Zendrive, Analogman TS9 and SD1 among others…). Set to a nice rhythm with you guitar turned down. Nice light gain sounds. When I go into a heavy chorus/bridge, I only need to turn up to get harder/more gained sounds. If thats still not enough, I punch another “light” gain drive to boost it in volume and gain. Instant lead sound. I do the same thing with the high gain pedal: use it at 1/2 volume for the good crunchy stuff, more guitar volume for even heavier stuff or a lead sound, and if I need more, I boost with another low gain (this time the low gain is in the front, instead of pushing into the pedal).

    Hopefully that makes sense!

    But eventually you’ll find a pedal that fits almost everything. 80% of what I do (or have done) I used only an Analogman TS9 or the Zendrive (and now the Tim). The other 20% was clean (compressor usually) or heavy gained (which the TS9 and Zen couldn’t really do so well).

    Good luck!

  18. Hello.
    I just stumbled on this treasure trove of info doing a google search, and I’m still trying to take it all in… I have a few questions…
    I have a boss BCB 60 pedal board that I haven’t even had for a week, and I’m really not liking the size of it. Does anyone recommend any bigger boards with out paying $400 for them? I’m hoping to get something with stirdier latches, maybe a metal shell instead of plastic…
    2. I am still adding on to my board, so I don’t have much at the moment… I have a dunlop 535 Q Wah, Boss mT2 Metal zone, and an ibanez Tube screamer pro… I am wanting to get a chorus, volume, compressor,and a delay… Any suggestions?
    and finally: I was in guitar center looking at the boss DD20 Gigga delay, and I couldn’t figure any of it out… I love the features on it, I just can’t use it because I am blind, and therefore can’t see the whole digital bit. I’m not sure if its possible to memorize what is what, but what I’m trying to ask is are there any boss delays that are analog and still have the capability to do a tap tempo?
    Thanks alot for your alls time…
    Chris Harrington

  19. For a good board that won’t break the bank, I use lytboards. Here is a link to the one I selected: http://www.lytpedalboards.com/products/board-bag-case/lyt-32-bag-combo
    There are also many other products to check out there. The board and carrying bag is awesome, I love it.

    Suggestions? For the MT2, check out Analogman’s mod. I think you’ll really love it. For a decent chorus, the Boss CH1 is a pretty decent chorus for the money. Others that sound better are 3 times the cost! (and I personally don’t like chorus!)
    Volume pedal i would go with Ernie Ball VP Jr 250K.
    For a compressor, I would use a Barber Tone Press.
    For Delay… well, I think you hit the right person as I am finishing Optometry school and am dealing with Low Vision patients! I would probably get a Line 6 Echo Park which would give you a dotted 8th note easy as well as several other sounds. It also has built in Tap Tempo so you don’t have to get another pedal. The DL4 by Line 6 I don’t think is as good… but it would be pretty easy to tweak after some practice. Due to the DD20 having everything on screen and some portions of the screen being extremely small, I doubt it will be friendly to you as the others. As for wanting an Analog delay– none that I described are analog, but the Echo park (and DD20) is pretty convincing at concert volumes.
    Please stick around, I’ll be posting (in a week or so!) a story how to buy pedals less than retail. I think It will help you out.

  20. Hey! Great page you have here. So here’s my question.
    To the amp I am running a Behringer wah (I know, I know), to dod compressor/sustainer, to dod death metal distortion, to Zakk Wylde overdrive, to dod juice box

    to the loop, I am running a behringer digital delay (I know, I know), to boss eq-7, to boss noise suppressor.

    I am getting A LOT of noise which I have narrowed down to the equalizer pedal. If I turn it off, noise is gone. Do you have a suggestion as to where I should put it in the whole scheme of things in order to eliminate the noise? The noise suppressor isn’t doing anything at all. I am currently using the amp (Crate) distortion over the death metal pedal, so could get rid of it if need be.

    what do ya think?

  21. by the way, the noise is more of a hissing than a buzzing….

  22. Russ:
    1st I would try to put the chain out of the effects loop. Some noise is associated with noise loops at times. Even noisy pedals can be quieter in front of the amp vs in the loop of it…
    I would leave out the noise suppressor just to get it out of your chain.
    My questions are: 1) What patch cables are you using and 2) what power supply?
    Bad patch cables w/ high gain (for the metal you play right?) will give you the hissy noise.

    I would do a trial: run your guitar to the amp then slowly add in one pedal at a time. If it gets real hissy then you know its a certain pedal. This should trouble shoot alot of your problems. Again, good patch cables sound like the main thing, but try adding one pedal at a time to rule out a really bad pedal/buffer.
    Good luck to you!

  23. Hi Larry thanks for creating this blog, I’ve been looking for a place to get some direction on how to configure my board, so I’ll throw my gear at you and you tell me what order you would put them in. My amp is a Fender Hot Rod Deville 212 I have an Ernie Ball volume, boss tu-2, boss dd-5(with tap tempo), and a line 6 echo park. All of these are powered by a signalflex ac-dc power unit and I have no clue what patch cables i have. For now I’m just using the drive channel on my amp, but I am searching for the right overdrive/distortion pedal, I tried the Boss SD-1, but it just wasn’t quite enough. I don’t play metal or anything, but I do play lead and a lot of solos and would like something I could stomp on that would cut through for nice solo/lead tones. Any help or direction would be appreciated. Thanks!
    ~Eric

  24. Eric-
    I believe I would put your pedals as you had listed: Ernie Volume (with TU2 on tuner out) then into the DD5 into the Echo Park. I would run the Echo park on analog setting for 2 different flavors of delay. Also if you run a dual delay (both at the same time for layers), the digital into the analog will sound smoother. However, I personally like the dotted 8th delay into quarter notes…. I know the Echo Park does dotted 8th, but the DD? You may have to play with that aspect– just some suggestions!
    If you still have the SD1- try a mod kit from Monte Allums, it should clean it up.
    For a general lead pedal that can go light to heavy with tones of great tones, I prefer (in this order) 1) Barber Small Fry (I bought used for $90), 2) Fulltone OCD (used for $115) or for the big money with great tube compression; 3) Hermida Audio NuValve.
    The Barber has so many tones and just cuts sooo well. I love this pedal. Great blues, can get heavy, can get light. Perfect for the most generic pedal that fits all styles. The OCD is more of a classic raw distortion that can be light to heavy. I think it works best with single coils. Its my backup if I want a different flavor.
    The Hermida has great compression, and sings! Really cuts through the mix and I love it when it is pushing another drive or an amp’s drive. Just completes the mix.
    Hope that helps, Hit back if you have another q!

  25. I like your ideas & alot of the pedal configurations you use. Heres what I got going on:

    Pedals (on Furman SP-8 pedalboard):

    Budda Wah
    Guyatone ST-2 Compression Sustainer
    Electro-Harmonix Micro POG
    Electro-Harmonix Nano Small Stone
    Behringer CC-300 Analog Chorus
    Vox V810 Valve-Tone Overdrive
    Electro-Harmonix Little Big Muff
    Guyatone SV-2 Slow Volume
    Boss DD-20 Giga Delay
    MXR M-133 Micro Amp
    Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner

    This configuration for my pedals works best for me. The wah before the compressor keeps the sweep of the wah even with no spikes in volume just like you state above. The POG naturally sounds good following the compressor. I know most people prefer their chorus & phaser after overdrive. Ive tried both ways & definitely like before overdrive & fuzz. The chorus & phaser effects sound much more harsh following the overdrive & fuzz. I guess the question is do you want to add chorus/phase to your overdrive or do you like the sound of a distorted chorus/phase? I prefer the latter. After my fuzz I place my guyatone slow volume which goes into my delay unit (dd-20 cant go wrong). Then when I want to boost everything I use my mxr micro amp pedal at the end of my chain going into my boss tuner to mute the sound when I need to change guitars.

    So how do you like your RT-20? Is it worth investing in & how much to you use it? I also was curious about the verbzilla, but I use a twin reverb amp which gives a nice reverb. I like some of the line 6 pedals, just not the line noise as they seem to like an independent power source.

    -Tony

  26. Tony-

    Yeah, i’m one of those guys that likes the modulation effects after the overdrives, but its for the same reason that you don’t like them after– I like that they are more noticable/harsh vs before. Although I think I would put the pog (if used as a synth) right before or after the delay. I think I would sound great after the delay with a very layered/modulated effect. But nice chain nonetheless.

    I liked the RT20, but i wasn’t using it as much as I thought I would. There is a rotary/tremolo setting which was beautiful. The rest of the time I couldn’t find a huge use for it. I’ve since sold it. The good news is that if you look around you can get one used right at or very close to the $150 mark. That is what I got mine at, and it was new looking.
    As for the Verbzilla, I really like it. Its not a smooth reverb, but its a dirty digital one. You can get some great reverb sounds and some nice crazy ambient sounds as well. I like the flexibility it offers.

    thanks for checking out the site!

    -L

  27. Wow!! I must say this is a sweet blog! It’s so great to see a mix of different guitarist and thier genres at which they play. I have been blessed with gear over the 7 years of playing. But one thing holds true is my Gibson Flip-Flop LP and Line 6 DL-4. I mainly play in sunday worship where we play from hillsong, bethany live, lincoln brewster and other different genres so I need to have any type of tones available. I do have two avenues I go to depending on time and if I lead or just rythm player. I enjoy my pedal board the most of all, it consists of:

    - Ernie Ball volume ped
    - Boss TU-2
    - Boss BD-2
    - Ibanez TS-9
    - Boss DS-1
    - EH li’l Big Muff
    - Jeckyl & Hyde
    - EH Holy Grail Verb
    - Ibanez Phase PH99
    - Line 6 MM4
    - Line 6 DL4
    if needed if will throw a boss DD-6 in there as well

    Now to make things easier with having kids and something quick and easy, Lincoln Brewster introduced the Line 6 Pod X3 Live to me (not personally, I wish!). I have not heard any multi-processor that sounds so close to a real rig. I did load his patches but moded them to my liking. I hope this place keeps going and hope see more replies. God Bless!!

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